Bubble Time!

[sykora]

I have one for you..

I was playing on Micro buy in tourney on a local card room here in the Philippines and we are down to 4 players. Only 3 gets ITM.

I was not involve in the hand by the way, but the outcome for me was very crucial since it bubble time and im 3rd in chips.

I was UTG and folded my hand, Button, who has the biggest stack, doubled the blind. SB called and BB which is the shortest with less than 10BB called.

Flop and Turn card were both checked round. Then comes the river. SB checked by tapping his car pointing finger once. And the dealer was clearly looking at the SS BB. BB asked -"did he checked?" But dealer was kinda unclear of what she heard and failed to answer. BB who tanks tanks tanks and was busy pressing his stack of chips against the table while looking at it seem to have not required an answer from the dealer. After a few seconds Button player showed his hand which had Ace high, then the dealer eventually asked SB and BB to show theirs. SB immediately show middle pair and BB stood up and said, -"i have not checked and i was going to bet" while keeping his cards protected and not shown.

I would like yo get your ruling first before i post the later that had happened, If it is okay with you.

[LloydFontillas]

Wow what a mess! Great question, a lot of things going on here.. I will answer your question by the end of tomorrow in order to see what other players may think. Thanks for the post!

[tiltattack]

meh misread, below post

[edwinhui]

If the BB has not indicated any action, then:

Button acted out of turn and may be penalized at the end of the hand, but his hand is still live.

BB has the option now to check, bet, fold.

If BB calls (n/a), folds (n/a), or checks, then Button's out of turn check is binding and must check behind.

If BB bets or raises, then the out of turn action is not binding, and is allowed to call, raise, or fold.

[BigChips]

yes BB still has option to do whatever he wants in terms of his turn to act. all hands are still live.

[pa2bear]

BB has all his options open, if he decides to bet all options is still open for the other two players, i will penalize both players from the button and the sb for exposing their hand when there is still action pending for one round but i will give 1 more round for the button player making it 2 rounds for him for acting out of turn.

[LloydFontillas]

BB has all his options open, if he decides to bet all options is still open for the other two players, i will penalize both players from the button and the sb for exposing their hand when there is still action pending for one round but i will give 1 more round for the button player making it 2 rounds for him for acting out of turn.

Wow I can't believe how harsh you can be! 

[LloydFontillas]

If the BB has not indicated any action, then:

Button acted out of turn and may be penalized at the end of the hand, but his hand is still live.

BB has the option now to check, bet, fold.

If BB calls (n/a), folds (n/a), or checks, then Button's out of turn check is binding and must check behind.

If BB bets or raises, then the out of turn action is not binding, and is allowed to call, raise, or fold.

Edwin you are right on the money with this one, only this that needs to be added to this is the fact if anyone is getting a penalty here.

Sorry Bear, but, I will disagree with you and over rule you on your penalties. So, the 3rd guy in line will get a 1 round penalty for exposing his hand with action pending + a 1 hand penalty for acting out of turn and the 1st guy to act, exposed his hand in turn because of the other guy exposing the hand. So, I will give him a 1 hand penalty as well and warn him that he has to pay more attention to other players and just the player that he is following in turn.

[edwinhui]

I'd agree with the penalties, but I think we all have been guilty of acting out of turn when the immediate right makes an action.  I would probably give him a single warning, but not penalize him.

[LloydFontillas]

I'd agree with the penalties, but I think we all have been guilty of acting out of turn when the immediate right makes an action.  I would probably give him a single warning, but not penalize him.

I am done with warnings when it comes to acting out of turn because this is the rule that players abuse the most. I make the announcement on this rule, before the tournament starts and many times during the tournament as other guys take the penalty. I know he acted because of what someone else did, but that does not get him off the hook, for playing monkey see monkey do.

Giving a 1 hand penalty is not a big penalty. But, since I have been applying it, players that have taken the 1 hand penalty for acting out of turn, will pay more attention, trying to avoid the 1 round escalate for the same offense.

[edwinhui]

Fair enough.

I don't mind when you give other people penalties anyways lol.